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Healing Trauma to Embrace Spiritual Awakening: A Journey of Self-Love and Growth with Jana Wilson

August 17, 2023 • Jenelle Tremblett • Episode 141

#141: In this enlightening podcast episode, the host sits down with Jana Wilson, a remarkable healer and author, to explore her incredible journey from childhood trauma to becoming a beacon of healing and inspiration.

Through candid conversations, Jana shares her profound experiences, including her spiritual awakening at a young age, her exploration of metaphysical teachings, and her deep connection with her inner child.

The episode delves into a rich tapestry of topics, from setting intentions and upcoming book launches to navigating personal growth and healing through the lens of her memoir, "Wise Little One: Learning to Love and Listen to My Inner Child."

With discussions spanning from astrology and societal challenges to the profound wisdom of the Michael Teachings, this episode offers listeners a unique blend of spiritual insights, personal reflections, and contemporary relevance. Join in as Jana and the host journey through the interconnected realms of spirituality, personal transformation, and the limitless power of self-love.

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Welcome to the ebb and glow podcast. I'm your host, Janelle Tremlett. And I'm a firm believer that even when life doesn't go as planned, it is taking you exactly where you're meant to be on this podcast. I'm here to help you finally release control of what you think you want and begin to just trust in the ebbs and flows of life. Each week, I will show you how to build that positive mindset radiate with self confidence and cultivate an unshakeable resilience. Let me prove to you that even when life ebb. You will glow. Hello everyone. And welcome to episode 1 40, 1 of the Eben glow podcast. I think you're going to love this episode and I mean, I say that every single week, but. I feel like the guest on this podcast just keep getting better and better and better. And the guests that come into my sphere of influence that I end up meeting by chance. It's always the types of guests and the stories that. It's who I need to speak to at that moment of time. And my guest today, Jana Wilson is no different than that. In this episode, we really talk a lot about how Janna is launching her book this week. So if you love today's episode, make sure to go to Amazon right away and grab a copy of Jenna's book. Her new memoir out called wise little one. And if you're familiar with the topics of around inner child healing, You are going to love her book. Jana's book is a memoir about being a victim of childhood abuse and trauma. And Jana was adamant about not winding up another statistic yet at the age of 12, she had a mystical experience That catapulted her on a lifelong journey of learning to listen and love herself. In this book, we follow Jana. As she develops a connection to our inner child through this connection, she cultivates an unshakable faith in self and spirit taking full responsibility for her own soul journey. If you love to learn about spirituality, law of attraction. Inner child healing, just emotional healing in general, if you're familiar with phrases like karmic past and life regressions and all of those things, you're going to love today's episode. So Jana Wilson is an emotional healing educator, meditation teacher, retreat leader, public speaker, hypnotherapist, and founder of the emotional healing system. For the past two decades. She has taught thousands internationally in group and private retreats, Janet trained and worked with best-selling author and physician Deepak Chopra. Jana lives off grid in the mountain range of Santa Fe, New Mexico with her husband and business partner, Dr. Lance Wilson. When she is not guiding clients to heal, she enjoys hiking, yoga and watching documentaries. Even in this episode, Janet gave me a fantastic recommendation for a documentary. So I am absolutely going to watch that sad this week it's called thrive. So I haven't found it online yet, but I definitely will. One quote that I want to leave you with before we jump into this episode, and this is a quote from Janet herself, what I have come to know in my personal life and the lives of all the people I've worked with is that every trauma challenge and wound comes bearing a gift and some wisdom our soul needs. Once I opened up to finding the wisdom and lesson of my very traumatic childhood, that made me the strong, loving, compassionate, and capable woman, wife, and mother. That I am today. I began to live the life of my dreams. Without further ado, let's jump into this episode and enjoy. Thanks for having me, Janelle. I'm happy to be here. Of course, I always like to start off my episodes by asking, basically, what's your word of the week, knowing that this is a Monday, it's a new week. What intention do you wanna set for this upcoming week? I think it's always the same peace. Ah, why always the same? Because think about it, if you have peace, then you probably have everything else you want. Yeah. I mean, that's a good point. I recently, I promised myself that we were just chatting, you were saying that, oh, are you're a real estate agent? I said, yeah. I promised myself a long time ago, about six to eight months ago, that I wouldn't continue working with a client if they didn't bring me peace. And I agree. A lot of my business is pretty easy and flowy. Once the client is, the vibe is more peaceful. So I agree. Yeah. Now book launch two days from now, correct. Is that still the same date when we last booked Uhhuh, July 12th. Wednesday? Mm-hmm. Are you nervous at all? No. I mean, I, you know, it's ready, I'm. Ready to give birth. Right? Yeah. It's like being pregnant and being like, okay, I'm ready to get this baby out in the world. A hundred percent. What was that journey like? At what point did you wake up and say, no, you know what, with all of my experience, I need to write a book. And were you nervous or excited to finally get pen the paper when you finally start it? Yeah, so I'd been writing the book for 25 years, so it wasn't Wow. Like a, you know, it was just always writing stories from childhood. You know, I started in my early thirties and then I came out of meditation last year and felt like it was timing, you know, everything had kind of came full circle and I was ready to do it. I could, you know, hire the team that I needed to help me. Writing a book is a pretty, you can't do it alone, right? It's a pretty big endeavor. So you gotta have good editors and good. You know, copy editors and different types of readers and you know, so it, a lot goes into it. Mm-hmm. For sure. When you're choosing your team to surround yourself around a publication, that's obviously a memoir, so it's really sensitive to you. Do you find, you look to hire people that can understand the story and have maybe a similar background or you're just looking for a skill level, like, can you get this book out for me? Yeah, no, I definitely wanted somebody who had experience in writing trauma and could, you know, really help me or articulate from a place, cuz I've healed, you know, there's a saying if you. Use memory, don't allow memory to use you. And, and certainly in writing a memoir, you never wanna write something you haven't fully unpacked and healed and have closure on because the reader will feel it. And I had been to memoir writing work workshops throughout the years and that was the same advice always. And so when I looked for a developmental editor, I found somebody who specialized in trauma in Nashville. She was excellent and she had a real sensitivity cuz she also had went through childhood trauma but so she worked out perfect and then, you know, all the people who helped me, but it's not like I could hire a ghost writer or somebody to write the book for me because it's my stories. Yeah. So I really had years of writing and, you know, sending all that and yeah, it was, it was quite a process. And there were even some, I guess, surprising moments because I. I started to feel, you know, a lot of vulnerability and kind of exploited, like I was sharing a little too much sometimes. Mm-hmm. And so I really listened to my wise little one, my emotions, my little girl and, and a few things she said, you know, I prefer not everybody know that. Mm-hmm. I was like, okay. So I did have to go back to the drawing board. And I'm sure with writing a memoir as well, you feel that initially that, okay, this is about me. I should give all the details, like I, the, the reader's entitled to them. But I'm sure as you were reading, you realized, no, I don't need to give them everything like enough, but it's still my story and still gonna be out there for the world. So I'm sure there's definitely Yeah. Some details that you wanna keep for yourself. Yeah. I was very transparent in the book. I mean, I shared, you know, from, you know, All the domestic violence, of course, in my childhood, which as a child, but then I was conditioned. So every behavior that I did as an adult that perpetuated the trauma, I also shared cheating on my ex-husband, you know, being raped, you know, putting myself in situations, not valuing myself, being very promiscuous in college. Mm-hmm. I really want the reader to know that, you know, the, the most authentic people have nothing to hide. Mm. And when you do the work I teach, I created the emotional healing system. And when you do the work I teach, then you're in a place you don't have to hide because you love and accept yourself. And if someone else doesn't, that really has nothing to do with you. Right. It's a reflection of them. So I get that. But there were some things that maybe I need more healing on. I certainly don't feel like we arrive, we always have another layer to peel back the never ending onion. The people that you've had read the books so far, even if those people haven't been through the same situations as you have, do you feel like they can relate? Yeah, I mean, the reviews are pretty astounding. Yeah. What, what have you gotten from, for the listeners listening right now? Like what are some of the reviews saying? Well, I mean, the book right now is actually up on Amazon and anybody who received an advanced reader copy like yourself can go on there and put reviews. So there is a review on there right now, and yeah, I, I just found it today cuz I was looking, I was like, oh, somebody's reviewed the book. Oh. And it was somebody I'd done an interview with. She received it right, and she, she gave a beautiful review and not to read at all because it was a lot. She just ends with saying, This book is not merely a recommended read. It's a life altering journey that should be embarked upon by everyone. As you secure a copy of Wise Little One, consider extending this empowering narrative to a friend. The gift of sharing such a impactful story may serve as the first step towards your own healing process and theirs as well. After all, Janice tell is a testament to the extraordinary potential of the human mind and spirit to heal, grow, and transform thousands of lives across the globe. every time you get that feedback or get a review or someone messages you saying like, wow, like this really touched my heart. What is your reaction? Are you surprised? Or like, is it more motivation to keep continuing. Yeah, what does it do for you? Yeah, so I, I already had seen that before, so that's part of what I share in the book. How to envision what you desire and how to manifest. And so I'm pretty much a manifesting machine. So, and I teach that, right? And I teach it in the book. So I have already sent myself to a future where I'm receiving emails like that, knowing of course that, you know, there are people who live from a constricted state of consciousness. A lot of what I share is gonna be outside their awareness. Yeah. They're going to feel, I've had some reviews on net galley and some that were like, oh, this should come with trigger warnings. It does, it has an author's note. You know, they only pointed out, you know, what they didn't like. So there's those as well. But predominantly it's. It's been all very positive, of course, with people like yourself because when you're in this field and you're really intent on healing, you understand things that average people who are still victims don't. Yeah. And they're not interested in hearing about somebody overcoming a story worse than theirs when they're holding onto their story with dear life. Right. So, yeah, I don't think any of those people listen to this podcast, and I don't think that read my book. I think they, you know, a lot of people because wise little one, I was getting a massage, I still didn't have a name for the book. It was like around December. The book was finished in February, so I was very close to the end and I hadn't really thought about it much. You know, the team of people who were helping were like, don't worry about the title, it'll come. So I'm getting this amazing massage, and right in the middle of the massage, it downloads. Like just outta nowhere wise little one, learning to love and listen to my inner child. And I was like, oh, that's it. Okay. The massage is over. I was ready to go launch the book, you know? And, but it also, there's no other books named that, but there's a lot that kind of lend to more children's books. Yeah. So I'm like, oh no. Like, you know, some people I think might not think much inner child and they don't know really what inner child work is, and then they, you know, get it thinking it's something that it's not. Mm-hmm. A lot of cuss words, a lot of profanity. My dad cussed a lot. You know, I try to make an accurate depiction of what was going on. Yeah, I wanna give you the floor a little bit too, for everyone that's listening now that will read your book later, give them a little synopsis about your personal journey from being a victim of childhood abuse and trauma to becoming a healer and author. Like, bring us all the way back without giving too much away, cuz you obviously want'em to read the book as well. Yeah. Thank you Janelle. So, grew up in Central Florida and the Bible Bell had two really attractive parents that had the whole, you know, world was their oyster. They could have done anything. They were both very emotionally unintelligent and broken, I would say from their own family of origin. My mom lost her dad at 12 years old. My dad was her best friend. They trauma bonded. My dad's father lost his legs on the railroad, so they had this. Trauma bond. Mm-hmm. And then of course once they got married and they had us, and, you know, and all their hopes and everything kind of went, you know, down the drain. Dad turned to alcohol just like his father and became a raging alcoholic and womanizer. And my mom you know, steadily declined throughout the years until she had Alzheimer's. She died last year of Alzheimer. Mm-hmm. and she, you know, so I had, I. There's a quiz that clinicians give patients. It's called the Ace Adverse Childhood Experiences. It's only 10 questions. I scored 10 outta 10. Wow. But at 12 years old, I had a spiritual awakening. And I always say one of the gifts, you know, Janelle, of that childhood was I had to find some inner refuge To disassociate from the chaos that was happening around me. And it was like a war zone. You never knew what you were going to find or come into. My mom's shop, my dad, my, you know, there was a lot of chaos. Mm-hmm. Sexual abuse, physical abuse, food deprivation, you know, a lot. And but at a young age, I. You know, I really, I am a reincarnation and I am a past life regressionist, and I trained with Dr. Brian Weiss and his book Many Lives, many Masters changed my life and it changed my life because we don't know what happens after we die. All I knew was that belief system, that way of viewing the world gave me freedom. It made me take responsibility as a young adult for my childhood. Instead of being a victim, I began, reincarnation said, you chose those parents. Yeah. You had karmic debt. You had to pay off some debt. So I started thinking like, wow, I must be a pretty badass soul. Yes. To have chose all of that. You see it from such a different perspective when you start reading Yes. And learning about these things, you, you don't become a victim anymore, that's for sure. No more if you ever were Yeah, yeah. And I was, cuz I was like, woe is me, poor me. Why did I have, and I didn't like it when I would get pity from people cuz they, you know, and I felt weak and I didn't wanna be weak like my mother. So I was pretty young at like 22 when I found that book and it changed my life and I, I started to say, okay, so then if my soul chose it, I corrected a lot of karma. So karma just for the listeners, is really like an accounting system. Every soul comes in with debits and credits. Well, I had some debit debits and I guess my soul said, bring it on fast and furious. Well, I can get through it so I can enjoy my life. Well, I still had challenges all the way up until I have my daughter at 22. I'm a single mom. I start working really hard to correct and to be a cycle breaker. Yeah. I was like, okay, I'm going to break the cycle of dysfunction. And I know there's people out there who know how to do it. Yeah, I went to therapy, but it wasn't therapy. It was more thought leaders, authors, books that I was reading. Oprah Winfrey Guess she would have on, and I would just get lit up. I'm 57. I mean, I've been on this path a long time, over 30, about 36 years. Mm-hmm. Really conscious. 36 years and just continued on that path and, and started to say, okay. Am I gonna become a psychologist? No, I don't wanna do traditional work. Mm-hmm. What do I wanna do? I want, I was entrepreneurial already. Mm-hmm. So as I healed every teacher, you know, I had success with my ex-husband in a business that afforded me the ability to be able to go to all these retreats and start doing these trainings with Deepak Chopra and Debbie Ford and Wayne Dyer, and Maryanne Williamson, and you know, all of them, Eckhart Tole and mm-hmm. So I said that I know these people know, and I just started to see there's practices that if somebody taught us and we did on a daily basis, it would radically change our lives. So why isn't anyone teaching this? So the second book actually is coming out it'll probably be finished by the end of this year, but it is the emotional healing system, which is being co-authored with my husband, who's a physician. So I'm excited about that and it's, More tactical. Yeah, yeah. So they can read your memoir. Yeah. And then understand like, okay, let's do this. My own tactical way of getting through this, it's traditional self-help. It'll have, you know, at the end of each chapter, try this, you know, journal this prompts things to do. It'll give'em, you know, very practical advice. And I do that in wise little one in 11 chapters, but they're just little snippets because memoirs more written like a novel, right? It's not, yeah. Or like a diary. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I prefer memoirs. It's one of my favorite. I, I go back and forth between memoirs and like autobiographies and then like straight fiction. I used to read a lot of self-help in my early twenties or like late teens, early twenties. And I find I, my self-help style now comes from like podcasts or YouTube or that kinda stuff, but I don't read as many self-help books as I used to. Mm-hmm. So it's interesting that you brought up like, oh, I went to therapy, but not traditional therapy because I only just started going to therapy this January and then I thought to myself like, what stopped me from going for so long? And I think it's because honestly I was probably using a lot of non-traditional therapy of these thought leaders and self-help books that maybe I felt that I didn't need the traditional therapy as most people do. But now we're, now we're in it. So it's a nice. High to fill. It is. Now, early on I did go to therapy. Okay. So I did do weekly therapy sessions, but found that they didn't get to root cause it's a lot of top down, right? Yeah. So it's just dealing with what's going on in life. Now you got 50 minutes to an hour, they're not taught in their defense. Mm-hmm. To teach us how to fish so we can feed ourselves. Right. They're just taught to like, listen, hold space. I work with a lot of clinicians. I just finished working with a psychiatrist. A lot of what I teach, they don't even learn in school. And it's, it's traditional psychology like psychosynthesis or the way I teach it, the importance of the teaching. They never got. Mm. So it's, going to the root of why is this person unhappy? And in wise little one I share, it's because we operate from beliefs. It's like an operating system. I'm not good enough. I'm unlovable. I'm undeserving. Because we pick that up from our parents or our caregivers or school teachers or somewhere in those first developmental years. That's a lot of digging and unraveling though, because you used a good example when you were in, I think you said your twenties when you were being promiscuous. Mm-hmm. Someone could just use that and say, ah, she's just young and having fun and just wants attention. But when you go back and deeper and deeper, it does lead or link up to, I feel unlovable. I feel unworthy, but how does one person get from, okay, I'm promiscuous and like guy attention to understand that maybe it does come from that level of that deep. Like how does someone understand it? It is in a child. Well, the only thing I found was hypnotherapy, so I became a hypnotherapist. 16, 17 years ago, it was the only thing that helped me because I bypassed my intellect and my conscious mind and got down into the subconscious. And then I was able, I mean, I was aware, listen. Yeah. That after I hooked up with a guy at a bar and came home and the walk of shame the next morning, I didn't have high self-esteem. That was not mm-hmm. Like I was aware I could have been lying to myself. You know, the acronym for denial is Don't even know I am Lying. So I think people stay in denial. Oh, I'm just a modern woman. I can have sex with anybody. And you know, that is not honoring yourself. There's a little girl inside of you. Would you just go, let everybody have sex with her? Mm-hmm. Like, you know, that's, it's not healthy, period. Yeah. And I hear people say that, and I'm just always like, you know, my heart breaks for me because I know they're in denial. They don't know what they don't know. And eventually it'll catch up with them. Did you continue your relationship with your parents once you had your own children? And did you ever mend that relationship before your mom passed? Yeah, of course. I was always in a relationship with my mom. My mom, you know, and I were very soul connected. I mm-hmm know and, you know, from my work as a regressionist about past lives that I've spent with my mom and, and, and had compassion. In some ways I even began to ponder, I don't know, again, it's mystery. Maybe my mom's soul was so evolved that she chose this lifetime to. Present herself in a way to me, to force me to choose differently. I mean, you know, she became my anti teacher. Yeah. So often I would think like, you know, she'd come home from the hospital and be gone for months. They've done electro shock treatment on her, her brain's rewired. She's reading, I mean, when I was eight years old, I was meditating, you know, when I, wow. Was seven years old. She was teaching me astrology and like a lot of mystical teachings from India, she was teaching me about near-death experiences. So then she would eventually go back to her regular state of consciousness because nothing changed in her world externally, but me. I was a child. I was like a little sponge. Of course. She would just pour into me and I thought, you know, as I looked back, I. The woman I am today in large part is because of my mom. My mom was complicated for sure. The woman loved fiercely, so there is never a doubt in my mind how much she adored me and loved me and did not want me to make the choices she had. Right. And, and you know, but she had mental illness. She was bipolar with borderline personality disorder. She you know, would attempt suicide. She couldn't manage emotion. She was erratic. And, but then she would have times where she was very stable. And I mean, I'm a HeartMath facilitator, so it teaches all about the power of the heart. Mm-hmm. And I remember growing up, if my brother and I argued, my mom would make us hug each other, heart to heart. And we had to take three deep, long breaths. And, and we would say at the end she would say, feel the love. Do you feel it? That's your brother. Like, that's your sister. She would say, and it would connect my brother and I, and even when you read this story, my brother and I have been estranged a lot as adults. Yeah. Because we're very different. You know, he's very fundamentalist Christian. He's very, you know, he thinks I'm a little woowoo and, but you are. We love that though. I love that. But he, but in the end, the love that my mom, I mean, she really bridged that with the two of us. To that we both respect where one another are and their lives. And we don't infringe upon that. We still have a good communication. My dad passed when I was in my early thirties. I talk about it in the book. I certainly was close to that soul too. He called for me as he was dying. I, again, left a trip. My wise little one was saying, something's up. I got on a plane, arrived home, hit my answering machine, and heard his brother telling me he had passed away. You know, I had a connection. Strong, very strong. And so that happened. And then my mom passed away July 23rd. It'll be one year anniversary coming up. Yeah. Mm. So you had her a lot longer. Yeah. Mom almost double. Yeah. Mom, I was never close to my dad. He didn't live with us much. Mom really raised us by herself. Yeah. Along with my grandmother, but. My mom. I, I had a lot of great memories. You know, I took, she traveled with us quite a bit to care for my daughter. She, yeah. She spent a lot of time with me and my daughter Taylor. you know, but towards the end she started to lose connection with reality and we had to put her in a home and it got ugly and it was sad, but she still remembered me. she probably wasn't old. Hey, she was 79 when she died. Yeah. I was gonna say, I didn't, like I was doing the math in my head. I'm like, I bet she she wasn't 80. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. I'm curious about your relationship with your brother. It's so interesting to me. I don't have any siblings, so I find sibling relationships so fascinating to me, two people, especially when there's childhood trauma, two people can grow up under the same household, have the same trauma. Like obviously you take it in different ways and then go in two completely different directions, and one could say the stuff that each of you are doing has a lot of similarities, just presents a lot differently. But do you guys see eye to eye at all? Yeah, so we had very different traumas. So yes, we lived in the same house, but he was different brutally beaten by my father. I wasn't so, but you saw it. Yeah, but I, my mom abused me and him, but my dad abused him. And the abuse that he received under my dad as a boy was probably even more traumatic too, because it's a son and a Yeah, and it was, it was very twisted. It was, you know, he beat him with a belt buckle when he was an adult. He had a grapefruit sized tumor removed from his leg that my dad did. My dad just beat him down. So unmercifully it was, You know, it was horrible. And and psychologically, the names he would call him, just the way he treated him. Yeah. So to say that we both grew up the same, with the same, absolutely not. I was definitely question. if we had two bedrooms, my mom got a bedroom. I got a bedroom, he slept on the couch. Even my mother she preferred me and she would put me on a pedestal. My dad put me on a pedestal. Wow. So, you know, I received a much different treatment than him. Wow. And I don't know why. You know, I think my mom had so much guilt about that. My brother ended up becoming an addict for a while, but he got off. It was meth. He got off meth. He, he cleaned him himself up. He's healthy now. He has a YouTube cooking channel. Wow. He cooks healthy. He, he works at like a grocery store. He lives a very simple life. Um, He's very Christian, devout Christian, and he, you know, He's doing good. I'm happy for him. Yeah. Yeah, it's amazing. Like even just hearing your story and his story, like both of you have have lived nine different lives already. My god, I don't wanna laugh, but it's like holy shit. Like the amount of, the fact that you're saying this is the upbringing he had, then he becomes a meth addict and now he's a Christian working in a grocery store. Like those are three different people. Yeah. You know what I mean? And he was morbidly over obese, like he was about 300 pounds and now he is like 170. You know, he weighs his normal weight and he, yeah. So he self loathed for a long time. Of course. And you know, but my mom's death was actually very healing for him cuz he was able to care for her in her last three years and, and that's what my mom wanted too. I think she really wanted to reconcile and make up for what she had done by staying with my dad. You know, she left my father, when he hit me, he hit me once and that was it. That was it for her. Mm-hmm. That was the straw for her. Hey. Yeah. did the abuse only start when the alcoholism started? Well, that was even before I was born, so, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Dad, they lived in Las Vegas. I mean, really, you know, when I was writing the book, like, you know, in the stories I would hear too of their time in Vegas. But you know, dad was very charismatic and he was good looking and he was an Elvis impersonator and you know, and they're living in Vegas. It's the sixties and he's at the Golden Nugget and he's a blackjack dealer skimming from the house, which is the mob. he would come home my, I have a picture of my mom. I'd put it on my website with a mink. He got her a mink. He would, You know, expensive bottles of scotch and watches and just all kinds of things. And she knows, you know, she's like, okay, something's happening here. Cuz mom was kind of a bookworm. She was always at the library reading and Yeah. And dad was this wild, you know, character and she couldn't contain him. And, but anyway, the mob beat him up and left him for dead and she didn't know where he was. So she gets on a greyhound and drives from, I mean, goes from Vegas with my two year old brother pregnant with me back to Florida. And I mean, they had some. Interesting stories. You know, my life, even though I was poor on food stamps, living in a trailer considered trailer trash. Yeah. Really interesting things happened to me, like Elvis Presley invited us up to his suite. You know, I, I mean, there were some really cool things that happened. I ended up in Costa Rica meeting the president who was elected and then interviewed by Barbara Walters the week after he got home. I was like, I was supposed to be at ac dc concert. I wasn't gonna go to a foreign country and meet the president. You know? It was, it was interesting. It was kind like Forrest Gump. Now that I'm telling you, I ended up in like these places, like, I'm like, oh, how'd I end up here? I'm just starting to get to this age. But at what age do you realize that your parents are just people and you start forgiving them for a lot? Well, I realized at a young age my parents weren't to be respected, I looked at them, I was like, I don't respect them. I don't wanna be anything like them. As a matter of fact, the only person in my life I respected was my grandmother, so she's the only one I would really listen to. Everybody else was just, and maybe a few school teachers that were really took up time and cared about me. it seems you probably, it's a trust thing too. Exactly. Because, you know, they would speak out two sides of their mouth. They were hypocrites and Yeah. So, but usually all are forgiveness began, you know, Obviously once I was about 19 and I, I was really wanting to work out what happened to me. In 20, I found a book called You. I was working for Maybelline. I was in San Francisco and this book literally fell off a, a bookshelf and it's very old. It was written in 1930, you can't even find anymore. It's very expensive to get a copy. 1935 copyright. And Wow. Listen, listen to one of the chapters. Well, it says the most important subject in the world is your yourself. It's, yeah, you know, to fall in love with you, to see that you are a spiritual being and you know, here I am 20 years old. Listen, I'm gonna show it to you and you can, you can read what that chapter is. Yeah. 1935. Hey, the law of attraction. Yeah. For people who are just listening just on audio, the first chapter is the Law of Attraction. That's 1935. Yeah. So that is not new age stuff. Like this is, yeah. A hundred years old. Exactly. And that book changed my life. That was like, I started to use what it was talking about and started to say, well, I don't love myself. How do I love myself? And yeah. And then all the tools it taught, and I mean, it's a tiny little book. It's only like 60 pages and it's all it needs to be. Yeah. Radically changed my life. I was like, okay, I'm, you know, going to start manifesting and making my inner world more real than my outer world. So I just started working on my thoughts and my beliefs and you know, and then I would see things manifest and I'd be like, oh, this works. And keep going. I kinda freaked you out. Hey, yeah, totally. I find. I find I notice a lot of manifestation lately for me, when it almost seems like the people that are put in my path that I'm like, there are too many weird intricacies here. Like it's almost like I was just thinking about meeting a person like this, and then all of a sudden I do it. I'm like, huh? I'm like, maybe I'm more powerful than I think. Well, you know what I, I think that. Synchronicity. So synchronicity is a word. Carl Young, the Swiss psychologist Yeah. Who coined shadow work. He created that word and it means meaningful coincidences. Yeah. So we certainly are at a time on this planet where things are accelerating. Right. And if you have any spiritual practice, like meditation, of course you're gonna develop more extra sensory perception. You're going to, you know, just put a subtle thought out into the field and next thing you know, it pops up and you're like, oh, I mean, I, I, I would like to see us get to a place where it's like that's not even a big deal. Like, oh yeah, that should be happening. I remember a few years ago I was, About to fall asleep, taking a nap on vacation. And so I'm in this perfect place for, I call it, to get a download from the field, you know, the unified field. So I'm like just about to go to sleep. I hear a name and I bolt up and I'm like, I haven't thought of this woman. And like forever, like she had stole from me this, I helped her out, gave her a place to stay, turned sour, sent her packing. Hadn't thought of her in a couple years. Her name pops in. So I immediately grabbed my phone, look her up on social media, find her, see she has a website. Oh, cool. What's she up to click on it. 100% plagiarized my website. What is that girl like twice now? What is her problem? Who twice? No, this that is Oh yes. Twice. Yeah. Isn't that when they stole from you? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Came to my house, stole from me. Like it was just crazy. So I immediately sent her a cease and desist, but I was laying there telling my husband like, like I know how I know that. I know the universe has my back. I know it's like protecting me and guiding me. I don't have to worry about anything. But how rad is that? Like I was just like, oh my God. Like I wouldn't have known how creepy. Yeah. How would I have known? Wouldn't have, never, never, unless someone came across the website by fluke and told you about it, but Exactly. Yeah. But happens to me too, where I'm kind of casually thinking about someone and then they email me or they text me and I'm like, and I, and I, it comes across as fake cuz I, I text them back and say, I was just thinking of it. Yeah. And I do that so often where I'm like, no, people like are gonna think this is fake. But I really just was. And it's like, I, yeah, often time I need to do what you do and wake up right away and then go reach out to them. But. I ended up thinking about them and I kind of just like let it go and let it pass and then they reach out to me and I'm like, I was really thinking about you recently. Yeah, it's really odd. It's really odd. I wanna get us back on a track a little bit cuz if you don't let me, I'll, we'll go on many tangents. I wanna get you to elaborate on your knowledge and teachings you acquired from working with those prominent thought leaders such as Deepak Chopra Brian Weiss and Debbie Ford. how did their influence shape your healing approach? If you can give like some more specifics. Yeah, so I mean, clearly with Deepak, he's been the oldest teacher that I've had probably about 36, 37 years. His work is really just distilling the ancient teachings of Vonta, which is non-dualism. And so learning from Deepak way back then in my, you know, early twenties, I, I couldn't say intellectually I knew what the hell the man was talking about. Yeah. Like, it was so over my head. But something inside I would say my soul knew and every time I would hear him talk about quantum physics or you know, something, You know, infinite possibilities. I began to believe anything was possible and it got me excited about what I could, you know, create and attract and, you know, so that's why I started following him. Mm-hmm. And of course, they were all saying the same thing, Wayne Dyer him, meditate, meditate, meditate. Well, I had a lot of resistance because like most people, I was like, oh, I try, well, trying means to struggle. And I didn't really, I, I didn't have a meditation teacher. I didn't hire anybody. So once I went to the Chopra Center, I. Got my primordial sound mantra was taught that the purpose of meditation, actually they didn't teach me this. This kind of happened just seven years after becoming a teacher, meditating every day for an hour or one day. I came outta meditation and I was like, the whole point of the practice is to be aware when we're lost in thought. Most people will say would be, oh, to not think, and that's impossible. So that's, I think that's why people don't like it, right? They're like, wait, just sit there and not think, how does that happen? You can't do it. Mm-hmm. So you have to get comfortable that the mind is a thought producing organ that's gonna produce turbulent thoughts. As soon as you're aware, you're lost in'em. All you do, like today in meditation, I caught myself. And normally I don't pay attention to what they are. I let it go fast. But this time I remember saying, I cannot believe I'm having a thought about my wedding day. My wedding day happened, and you know, I got married eight years ago. Like, I'm, I'm like, why am I thinking about my wedding? Oh, like intricate details of my wedding day. It was the weirdest thing. And I, of course, you just drop it and you, you realize that's what happens. So meditators that are good meditators only get used to getting comfortable with being lost and come back and lost and come back. And I always say, it's like you went to the gym that morning. When you meditated, you build a muscle. So now you go through your day and when you're lost in thought, when you're not present, when someone's talking to you and you're somewhere else or thinking about what you're gonna say, then you come back to your breath and back to the present moment. So you have more joy, more creativity. More app peace, more happiness because you're present, you're not lost in the future. Worst case scenario. My past. Yeah. Or rehashing the past, which is the prison. It's the known, yeah. So his work really radically changed my life in every way. A manifestation as well. Joe Dispenza has been a big influence on me since very familiar. 2005 before Joe wrote any books, had any, no one knew who he was. He came out in a documentary called What the Bleep Do We Know? I assisted him at a big symposium in Miami and he gave me a D V D that he had done, 45 minute lecture. And I sat one Sunday, five hours watching a 45 minute lecture because I was listened over and over again to it, over and over, and took notes, you know, wow. On how to create my ideal day. And so, you know, that was like the manifestation. That was like in 2006. And then I had the foundation was meditation. Then I started working with Debbie Ford. I'd already trained with her, added all the shadow work. So I started to think if you take somebody functioning, they don't have any, you know, major personality disorders. They're not in stress response. They're not. I mean, they could be in stress, but they're not in crisis. Distinction would be crisis. And you teach them every day, you need to get up and do this and this, and when this happens, do this and this. And under, so they understand how their psyche is formed, how important it is to connect to spiritual guidance, to be in nature. All these tools, right. To move your body, somatic principles, yoga, breath, work, all of that. And they don't need a therapist. They've got like a path that they could take right. For the rest of their life. And that's my whole goal with admission with emotional healing systems, is to teach people how to heal themselves. Mm-hmm. Using practical evidence-based research, you know, backed practices. Right. How has emotional healing system helped thousands of people so far? Give me some examples of uh, healing their past pain. Well, once someone, you know, steps into ownership and, you know, really self, self-agency that okay, because I won't work with anyone who cannot accept in a private setting, in group settings. I don't put this as a, you know, standard. But if I'm working with you private, I won't work with somebody if they cannot accept reincarnation as a possibility Because so much of our traumas you know, things happen to us and, and when people are coming from a place, again, a victimization, there's gotta be a persecutor and there has to be a rescuer that's an unconscious triangulation. The conscious model is I am the creator of my experience. I get to choose the interpretation of what happened in the past to heal it. Mm-hmm. And the people who persecuted me became challengers. They were challenging me to grow and evolve. And then I'm not gonna run to a rescuer. And if I did, those are gonna be a coach. So I can coach myself to create my own experience. Mm-hmm. And I can look at people, my enemies as my challengers. If it doesn't challenge you, it doesn't change you. So we got to learn to bless those experiences that we cursed before and those people who did things to us. Right. If you ever watched Ted Talks. Always. Yeah. Yeah. There's one you've gotta watch. It's called Wabisabi. Okay. Her name's Cheryl something, but W a B i hyphen S a b i. Wabisabi Ted Talk. Listen to her story. If anybody could be a victim, it's her. You know? And yeah. I work with people who have similar experiences to what she had. I do. I was raped as well. She was raped and she shares her story. You know, healing comes when we take responsibility in this present moment that we are going to choose to look at whatever happened in the past to us as something to help us grow and evolve. Or we have a choice that's free will and the creator gave us free will. Right? So we get to choose. Mm-hmm. So why do you think people wanna stay in the victimhood so much? Well, certainly we're living in a world right now where they're really cultivating it. It's like nurture the victim, you know? It's got us in a dysfunctional, codependent relationship with everything. I have so many thoughts. Oh my God. It just seems, seems like, like we can do a whole podcast on that. it's exhausting being around people who think the world needs to be perfectly curated for them instead of them curating their own lives. Exactly. And it's like the entitlement. So they're looking out aside right. To say, yeah, make it fit my mo you know, how I need it. to answer your question, the reason why I think is because the lack of spiritual connection when you, when you know Yeah. Because in the Vedas, which go back 6,000 years mm-hmm. Right? The rigveda, it talks about, You don't, in yoga tradition, Patanjali said there, there's certain poisons and Buddhism was burst out of those teachings. And this is what I've learned from Deepak too. But it's going from these old ancient teachings and it says, people suffer because they don't know the nature of true reality. And then they say, well, what is the nature of true reality? The nature of true reality is you are God. You are not separate like Rumi said, William's anes. Well, like Rumi said, you are not a drop in the ocean. You're the entire ocean and the drop, if God is the ocean, you're not separate from it. Because you're just a drop. You're the entire ocean in that drop. So am I the totality of God? Of course not. You're not the totality of God, but you are the embodiment in Janelle. Mm-hmm. I am the embodiment in Jana of the Divine, and when I identify the true me, not my personality, not my nationality, not my gender, not my religion, not any of that. Mm-hmm. The true essence of who I am at my core is divine, and so when I identify with my divinity, then I know who I truly am. So I don't have to put on a persona. I don't have to war with my sexuality, I don't have to war with my gender. I don't have to. I accept it all because I realize it's not who I am anyway. Yeah. Huh. Basically being spiritual is removing all of those layers of what separates you. Yeah, I mean, my husband is a physician and he's a physician leader, so he'll lead groups of surgeons and doctors and nurses and nurse practitioners, hundreds. And the number one cause of burnout is lack of spiritual connection. A hundred percent. People probably find that surprising. I don't at all, but think about physicians. A lot of'em are atheists. A lot of them challenge, you know, they don't believe in anything and they, yeah, they think they are. God, you know, I mean, I just said we are God, but they think it in an egoic way. No, no, I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, do they ever, and we saw that with the pandemic, you know, everybody, you know, all these physicians saying this is what you should do. You know, what happened to, you know, self sovereignty like, and things that need to go on between a doctor and a patient, not. The whole world, you know, asking you your medical information and I'm in Canada, it was way worse. I like you guys down there. You wouldn't have not been able to handle Toronto. Holy crap. Yeah, like I am, I'm pretty liberal in so many ways, but Me too, me too. But the pandemic woke me up to a lot of like, I think we had our wool pulled over our eyes for a while there. Canada was so bad. Like you don't even know it. Like, well, I followed it all, so I do know. But yeah, I can't imagine living there. The amount of lockdowns. Yeah, the amount of lockdowns that Toronto was in was truly insane. There was another one, January of 20, I wanna say 2022. Yeah, there was another one last year. Yeah. And it was, I could rant and rant and rant and rant. Me too. I said that would be another podcast, Janelle. Oh my God. We could write, yeah, it's, yeah, it was, I'm sure they've been calling us conspiracy theorists, but then again, those people probably aren't listening to your podcast. No, some of them are for sure. I have some good ones. Okay. I, oh, the ones that like, oh, don't like conspiracy theories, you mean? Oh yeah. No, they don't. Mm-hmm. No. The conspiracy theorists definitely do. Yeah. I'm one of those. I've been, did you ever see the documentary thrive? No. So you gotta look it up. Thrive movement.com. It was put out in 2011 by the heir to Proctor and Gamble, the big American corporation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. His name's Foster Gamble. He's a Buddhist and he married a Canadian woman. Okay. Who's lovely. And she's in it with him. Her name's Kimberly. And this is 2011 now. Yeah. All you have to do when you get on there, just. Take and move. I mean, you wanna watch the whole thing, but just move it to an hour and a half into it. He tells you exactly what happened in 2020 is gonna happen nine years before it happened. Yeah. Given that you're spiritual, you obviously probably like a lot of astrology and stuff too, I would imagine. I mean, I, I, I respect we're one with everything, right? full moons. We have more homicides, new moons, more people commit suicide. I mean, it's, yes, we are connected to everything. Yeah. Yeah. I'm, I'm, I'm a big astrology person, so I'm just starting to really learn about how Yeah. Like the moons affect these, like, constant cycles. Mm-hmm. And um, yeah, I was doing a little research on it, and it does make sense, like when pandemic happened, like. Some of the stuff that's happening today. It's like, yeah, well we're in like this age of Aquarian or whatever, and it's like, these are usually the themes of what happens. Like if you look back, like in the cycle, same kinds of stuff were happening before. It's really cool. It's cool. It really is. I like, I, I love science as well. Like I love all Me too spirituality, science, like I respect both sides. I come from a very like educated background, so I'm like, I love both. You're an old soul. Yeah, that's what I hear. But I've also done like quiz and stuff of saying I'm new soul. So how do you know? So there's a teaching called the Michael Teachings. So Michael Teachings teaches there's infant souls, baby souls, young souls, mature souls, old souls. So, you could get a reading. they have self test online. You need someone to channel the teachings to give you your soul age. And I have a shaman here. He, he and his wife own the power path. Okay. If you go power path, they teach shamanism and he's wonderful. And he's a channel, just like Esther Hicks is a channel for Abraham, yes. He's a channel for the Michael teachings. And the Michael teachings are profound. They really helped me heal because my family of origin, my cousins, all the extended family are very fundamentalist Christian and they don't have relationship with me. It's very Christian of them, but they don't have relationship with me. because they say I'm of the devil and I don't believe the way they do, and yada, yada Well, oh my God. this teaching teaches that, that you, you know, a baby seeks familiarity. Yeah. I probably shared that with you. So I wasn't, you know, a baby soul is somebody who needs to be told what to do. You're certainly right. Definitely love that. Yeah. And an infant would live in places of survival. So they, your life expectancy wouldn't be very long. You would be living in Yamen or somewhere in the condo having your vulva cut out, you know, like Yeah. Then young souls are all money, money, money. America's a young soul, country materialism and then mature souls are relationship oriented. Old souls are visionaries. So an old soul, you usually know you're an old soul because from a young age you start figuring stuff out that maybe even adults can't see. And then you have a vision of wanting to make the world a better place. Like it really drives you. Right. And it did me from a young age, like I was always like, you know, I wanted to help people heal. That's all that Yeah. Consumed my thinking even as a child. Right. Maybe I am. I remember, I, that's what it was when we talked about it last time I did the quiz. I don't think I got old. Yeah. But when you explain it, it feels more like it. So I, yeah, the quiz is like a, I don't know, some online tool. Maybe they just used to ask a few questions. Yeah, yeah. I pulled it back up. So after this, I'm gonna do it. I love a online quiz, like I really do. I'll send you a link to Jose and if you want to do a real reading, he'll zoom. Yeah, yeah. Read you. And then he'll channel and he'll tell you your soul age. What archetype? I'm a king, which is very unusual. Women don't usually come in as kings. Um, Okay. There's king warrior, there's pre-stage server. You know, there's different archetypes. Your soul chooses to, to do something at this time on the planet. It's funny, but I just found my old master this like seven rolls thing. Yes. I just found my old paper on it here. Yeah. The different roles. And so my role is, yeah, king Mastery. Okay. So looking at this um, list I have in front of me, the king seeks to lead and mandate. Yeah. So either we, you know, have ha that's the visionary, right? That's a leader. Right. But they can also lend, tend to be, you know, into tyranny if they think they're right and they're self righteous. Yeah. So it's a balancing, right? Everything's always about balance. So yeah, it's pretty interesting stuff. Yeah, I'll do that for sure. Last couple of questions for you. Yeah. This is what I mean. I, I just like get chatting about like what we're talking about now and anyone that's listening has to go read the book regardless. So that's a given. we don't need to reread the book out in this episode. Like everyone's gonna read it anyways. I want you to share an example from your book that demonstrates how taking the responsibility for your soul's journey and cultivating faith in self impacted your life positively to kind of end it on a, positive note. Yeah. So, at 47, I left a marriage that I felt very, you know, comfortable in, in many ways, but I wasn't in love. So it really lacked that passion and I knew I had to leap and expect my wings to appear. It was scary and I, I was definitely, you know, built many years staying with him and a codependent relationship. And here I am teaching it. So that's even a double-edged sword, right? Because here you are teaching and you feel like an imposter out of integrity with what you're teaching. So that was constantly happened. And so I finally, you know, and an incident happened, dissolves the marriage. Now I'm free falling at the end of my forties with this story. Oh God, I'm, you know, a has been, nobody's gonna want me. I'm gonna end up like my mother alone. And so I had still a lot of work to do and that, and it took me about two and a half years of loving little Jana, putting her first, changing those thoughts from, no one's gonna want me to, I want me. I don't care if anybody else does, and I do. Mm-hmm. So I just kept turning all that back home. You know, giving love to myself feels better than getting it from others was my mantra. And I just said it over and over until one day I woke up and I actually believed it. It was like, oh. It does feel better giving it to myself than getting it. Cuz when you're Yeah. Trying to get it from others, you're at the mercy of them. And then it's temporary. Right. It's not lasting. Mm-hmm. And so, and it's hard to receive a compliment if you're imploding and being critical with yourself. Right. So yeah. You can't even receive somebody else's love and, and words of affirmation if you're not giving it to yourself. So I do all this work and I end up at a meditation retreat. I felt like spirit always guided me. Go have fun in the summers, just enjoy yourself. So I'd take off work and I would just go to yoga festivals and, you know, retreats. Mm-hmm. And just do stuff for me to really take care of me and self-care. And I found myself at a retreat and that's was the. All this work really led me to meeting my twin flame, my beloved. And he, you know, I knew he was out there. I would talk to him a lot, you know, for any women that are single listening to me. Mm-hmm. Like, I would really start to tune and lean in and call him in. I would say, I know you're doing your work too, just like I am. And just know when the time is right that the universe is gonna conspire and bring us together. I, I know that'll happen. Mm-hmm. And in the meantime, I'm sending you love wherever you are. And I'm just gonna be loving on me. Right. Because you don't complete me. I complete me. Yeah. Yeah. And then I was at a retreat meditating six hours a day, going deep wise, little one starts, nudging, let's leave. I don't wanna leave. I've paid a lot of money to be here. I'm in Big Sir California, you know, it's beautiful location. But I leave. I listened and I got on a plane the next day and sat next to my husband and met him. You listened and left the retreat early. Yeah. I love, I love an airplane airport story. Yeah. And you know, I just, I knew online dating was not for me. It always felt inauthentic. I just, I never could stick with it long. I felt a fearful or an anxiety. There was always this undercurrent of, you know, needing to show who you are, they're trying to show. It just was weird and awkward. So I never stuck with it and I just thought, you know, I've got to learn how to love myself fully and completely so that if he doesn't show up, I'm okay. Yeah. And you know, I have to say, the day I left that retreat that night, So the night before I met my husband, I think it all settled. You know how you'll know something intellectually and then you work on it, work on it, work on it, and then one day you're just like, boop, it dropped. And you're like, yeah, of course. You know, that's what happened. Yeah. Ready for it. Yeah. I just fell in love with little Jana so much that she knew and she tested me after I met Lance, my husband I was, you know, I was kind of sidestepping that he hadn't filed for a divorce yet. He said he was going through a divorce, going through a divorce and filing for a divorce or two different things. Very different things. Yeah. And I hadn't got specific with him. And so the old Jana previous to really loving herself, Might have just pushed that under the rug, you know? Mm. But the new Jana, little Jana was like, Hey, you're not gonna break my heart again. You promised you're not gonna hand me off to a man and let him crush me. You promised it's you and me. And I come first. And I was like, you're right. So I'd have a crucial conversation with him and say, listen, I'm a woman of value. These were the exact words I said, and I value myself so much. I choose me, and I don't date married men. So once you're further along your path, you can call me, but I'm not interested. That was a Thursday, and on Monday he filed. And, and we took our time. I mean, I even said to him, listen, the next man, I make love to, he'll be the man I marry. And I was serious. I was gonna be turning 50. I was kind of spinning out about it, you know, like, yeah, yeah. Oh my God, I'm old. You know? And I was freaking out and right before my 50th, so it was months later before we became intimate and, and we took it slow. And, but we knew right away our first date, we both knew like, oh yeah, there you are. Like, it was awesome. Did you know meeting him or you just had an inkling? No. Meeting him on the plane, I was attracted to him. He was smart. He was, you know, it was a lot of, but I wasn't, I was, I didn't ask for his info, you know? I was very much about, I am a goddess. You need to worship me, you need to come towards me, you need to make the moves. You are the masculine, it's up to you. And I don't even see that as traditional in the sense, I just understand it as energy. Yeah, the male must, you know, he's the one who has to take those. We are the ones who choose, you know, yay or nay. Am I gonna accept you or not? We have the power. And so I just felt with him, you know, like, it was very different, you know, because I chose me and now my marriage to him is so healthy and healing. Yeah. Every day, because he takes care of his feelings. I take care of my feelings. We can communicate. If somebody takes something personal, we rarely do. But if we do, you know, it's, it's, there's no drama. It's like the most loving, easy relationship. So how did he find you if you didn't exchange any info? Well, he asked for my card. Okay. I didn't, you know, I was getting ready to get off the, he's like, oh, I don't know how to get in touch with you. And I was like, oh, okay. You know? So here's my card. And I took off the plane and yeah. And then he called. He actually emailed me and said, I don't believe in fate, but I believe in opportunity and I'd like an opportunity to get to know you better. I was like, ok, I like opportun like that. Yeah, I like that. I like that line a lot. It's like cheeky, but. Mature in a way. Yeah. He has no game. The guy is nerdy. Oh, no, no. He had only been with his wife. He was married since college. He met her one of those. Yeah. No game. Total innocent. I was like, oh yeah, honey, let me get you and I should teach you a thing or two. Just kidding. Serious, but not really. Yeah, no, seriously. I don't know if that type would be able to handle me at all. Yeah, no, they probably would. You'd blow their mind. Yeah, but I, the ones without any game, I have like, it's like their and is so innocent, so innocent. That's how Lance was. He had a lot of innocence and purity and, and little Jana deserved that. Now, the old, old Jana didn't feel like she deserved that. She needed the bad boy. You know, be mean to me, cheat on me, you know, all of that. Because I still hadn't healed that core wound of my dad, my father wound, and then of course my mother wound cuz she didn't feel worthy. So, you know, if my mother's not worthy, she brought me into the world, I'm not worthy. So. Yeah. Huh. It's funny the conversations that get created that aren't even intentional and I find that with every single guest I come on this podcast with, cuz you've given me so much more to. Journal about, meditate on reminisce and think, huh? There's a, there's a lot in, obviously the stuff that you went through as a child is nothing that I went through, of course. But remember when I asked you at the beginning, like, do people still relate? Like there is still a lot of relatability, especially when it comes to the inner child stuff. Mm-hmm. No matter what you went through. Mm-hmm. And uh, I think, and for anyone listening to this podcast or watching on YouTube now, the. The topic of inner child. I think we're just touching the surface of, do you think that too? Well, I mean, not really, because in the nineties, my first teacher in inner child work was John Bradshaw. He passed away. He was a PhD in Houston. He used to be on PBS a lot. He wrote a lot about the dysfunctional families and how shame gets developed. And he talked a lot about inner child. So it's been around, you know. But again, we're still talking about a science that's fairly new. Psychology. Yeah. And then we take transpersonal psychology. That was really in the sixties and seventies. This whole idea of self-love. What is self-love? That used to drive me nuts. You know, it's like, What does that mean? Is it bubble baths and pedicures? No, it's emotionally loving yourself. It's physically loving. You know, there's a lot of this idea now around don't fat shame me and I'm beautiful. That big, you know, wrap girl and I'm not shaming anybody, but I'm sorry you do not love yourself. If you have a fatty liver and you're obese and you right, don't move your body and eat healthy, that is, you would not do that to a child. That would be child abuse. Right, right. And so there's just a lot that's, again, as you know, this worldview of things that are happening, but loving yourself truly is saying, I've got one body. I wanna care for it. I wanna move it, I wanna feed it good organic food. I wanna, you know, not feed it glyphosate and chemical food, and. Fake farmed meat and yeah, all that. And, and then spiritually, I wanna connect to spirit. I wanna feel connected to others in nature. I have spiritual practice. That's the way I love myself organizationally. I wanna keep things organized. Children thrive in environments where there's, you know, organized uh, relationships. I want my relationships to mirror back to me the love and attention and respect I give myself. Mm-hmm. That's the way I love myself. I'm not gonna be in a relationship with people who are lie to me and do crazy stuff and create drama, like that's not self-loving. There's many ways we love ourself financially, making sure our bills are paid, we save our money. So I'm really a big advocate of teaching people breaking down what is self-love. Yeah. And how can you fall in love? And I always have clients do this, but I do it too. I put a picture of myself as a little girl on my phone. Very cute. Very cute. And then I keep'em around everywhere. I have one here on my desk by my, and then I get clients when they come to work. It's always a picture of yourself around five, six years old. She's with you. He's with you. Like start, you know, relating and treating yourself. Would you say, oh, you're an idiot to a child? Yeah. I hope not. And you tell yourself you're an idiot if you mess up or No. If I mess up, I say it's okay to make mistakes. I still love you. Yeah. You're human. You'll learn from them. Yeah. Hmm. Jana, any final last words for anyone that's listening? And then also obviously plug your book one more time and then where everyone can connect with you. Yeah. So last words. I mean, I think that was powerful, what I just said about loving yourself and putting yourself first. I think I said earlier, you know, this teachings, these ancient teachings tell us that we are, we suffer when we don't know the nature of true reality. And the nature of true reality is your spiritual being, having a human experience. Mm-hmm. You are not a human having some occasional spiritual, so if you can make your inner world more real than what you're experiencing, you'll start to experience it. And what I mean by that is just every day dip into stillness and silence. Cuz really that's all meditation is. You gotta still the body and then the mind will follow and then create images in your mind, even if you don't think you. Have, you know, I had a client recently, she's like, I don't see in images. I always question that. I'm like, well, what'd you have for breakfast? And they tell me and I'm like, and you can't picture your meal that you just had. Yeah. Like, you know, you just haven't developed it. You just stopped using Cuz children have imagination. They see in pictures. And so the little child in you wants you to show them images that get them excited about the future of possibility and what could be possible. And the more you do that, you take your brain and body to a future potential before it's happened. You're really living ahead of time. Then all of a sudden, like you were talking about before, synchronicities start happening. Mm-hmm. Those meaningful coincidences. Oh, Soandso met so and so and then, and then next thing you know, you meet your beloved or the next great job or whatever it is that you're desiring shows up because you were imagining it. How it would feel, smell, taste, touch, all of that before it ever happened, and that is how we manifest. It's not a, becoming metahuman or supernatural isn't as hard as people think. It's just they get stuck in stinking thinking, I call it from the past. And they're not using the creative power of their mind to envision what they desire. The mind doesn't know the difference, right between it's happening or I'm just imagining it. So start imagining what you want to happen, not what you're afraid might happen. Yeah, so true. And Jana, where can people connect with you? So jana wilson.com is the book website. I'm selling author copies on there, autographed and I ship'em out. Amazon, all online retailers will have the book, the ebook. I'm recording the audible, my voice. Yeah, it's gonna be interesting when gonna be, when? I'll be finished probably by mid August. Nice. It's a lot because yeah, you, it's, yeah. And sometimes I get emotional and then I was telling my husband I can't record if I'm emotional. He's like, it's okay if sometimes a little emotion comes through. That's good. I think. Yeah. He said, that's your reading your story. They might wanna hear that. You know, I'm like, I don't know. But that'll, yeah. I'll cut that out. Yeah, that'll be out mid August. And then we have a group retreat coming up, the emotional healing experience in South Florida on the ocean in September, labor Day Week. That's a beautiful, if somebody's ready to really do some deep dive immersion, healing work, that's what we do. My motto is, go deeper, go home. Yeah. So I like that. Yeah. And, and then Emotional Healing Retreats is that website. So Jana Wilson or Emotional Healing Retreats. Amazing. Jana, thank you so much. For everyone listening. Yeah, just get the book or wait for the audio version. But hopefully this episode has intrigued you enough. So Jana, thank you. Thank you. If you love today's episode and you yourself have a story to share, I encourage you to come on the podcast and be our next guest. We'll talk about anything and everything that you want to chat about because no matter who you are, I know you have a story to share that can help someone else. Also, don't forget to check us out on YouTube. If you want to see the video version of this episode. Okay. See you next week.